Who Framed Roger Rabbit (4K+2D Blu-ray SteelBook) (Cine-Museum Art #?) [Italy]

[paulboland]

Release date: TBA
Purchase link: TBA
Price: TBA
Note: Print run: Box Set 300 - Lenti 200 - Full Slip 200

 

[Chemartin_1]

I joined 12 GBs and went direct 20 times for premium releases last year. No sweat at all GB or direct And I have friends who always go direct and always get what they want It’s not that hard to place an order if you want only one copy like me and my friends. Once in a while, I order 2 copies of same slip or 2 different slips for my nephew and get them no problemo

Then we are "painting" the problem, where others can't experience any trouble when ordering DIRECT.
Some of my friends tried to buy the DL of Blade Runner. They failed. Sold-out in the first 15 second, when you can't either pay using you card or PayPal. How fast have you got to pay then?
Not all premium releases are instantly sold out. Just the ones which scalpers can make business after with.

Just like you @Chemartin_1 I hate scalpers a lot

And you like the previous comments which are against to my critic about scalpers.
So you don't hate scalpers that much, as you say.

n barely use evilBay.

As me. But I call that site "eBay". It's evilBay when you have to find a new premium release edition which price is near x2 retailer price. Won't find anything closer and cheaper then.

If you don’t like GBs here, just be on time for direct pre-order

I went, friends of mine too. Neither of us could "secure" any copy going DIRECT (for some releases), because GB already asked for tons of copy BEFORE preorder time goes live.

and love F5ing.

That was a fair play. The quicker and faster you post your "petition", the sooner you would be the buyer of the edition you were trying to buy. But this was the old-way to secure the premium releases (I'm afraid).

GB's are a great for releases whom retailers don't ship overseas.
However, whenever you can opt to buy DIRECT, at any time, you can come by a GB host to ask him/her to join and pay the fees to "secure a copy".
Sooner or later, fees would be the cost of another Premium release, as a monopolio.
Leaving out of the game whoever opts to buy DIRECT paying for retailer price (because there is a instant sold-out for sought after editions)

If you are well-prepared, you can get your copy easy

If you pay the fees, and are willing to join to the root of the problem (to join to Group Buys), you can get your copy easy.
But for sure, sooner or later, DIRECT would dissapear as an option, and you wouldn't buy "direct" anymore from the retailer.
Futhermore, most of the profit will be allocate to GB host and runners (mostly, scalpers, which had taken all the sough copies before preorder goes live), which means more money to pay for the same edition.

 

[Aniv]

If going direct is a rought task even to get just one edition for ourselves,
how can scalpers get many copies to put them on sale just after the sold-out?
Don't think scalpers are going direct any more. At least, going GB is more safe to secure a copy to put it on sale right after the sold-out. That's why I don't like GB whenever you could have went DIRECT.

GB host CAN ask for as much quantities as he/she can.
How THEN are they running GB's if they can not ask the retailer the copies which people pay in advance in GB's?

Scalpers joined to GB (or host them), using others nicknames or their own privileges as a HOST, to get the access to multiple units, buying first to sell later at x2 or x3 the retailer price.
How easy is for a GB runner/host to get as many editions as he/she can? - That's how GB host can run the GB itself, itsn't?
And that is when the retailer accepts the GB, and approved it. Because for them, it's a safe and quick money for their business.

I respect the matter about how business is made by the retailer, who creates and allocate among their potential customers the product. People want their products, and they pay happily for them.
I fully agree. It's a matter of create something that someone wants to pay for. It's valuable.
But when the business to ask for double or triple the price previously asked for the retailer is run by scalpers... it's an opposite matter.
A matter about HOW to steal the spot or chances of others to get ONE edition for him/herselves.
That's not moaning, that is saying the truth (even for those who are harmed to read it). Even here there are people asking me nicely to shup up and go on, why so quiet about a problem which affects to collectors?

Ok, I am not going to argue with you. You clearly have a lot of time on your hands to write essays.

You can create a company in a socialist country and then assign people a ration card to secure editions as collectors.

 

[Loony_Tic]

Then we are "painting" the problem, where others can't experience any trouble when ordering DIRECT.
Some of my friends tried to buy the DL of Blade Runner. They failed. Sold-out in the first 15 second, when you can't either pay using you card or PayPal. How fast have you got to pay then?
Not all premium releases are instantly sold out. Just the ones which scalpers can make business after with.

And you like the previous comments which are against to my critic about scalpers.
So you don't hate scalpers that much, as you say.

As me. But I call that site "eBay". It's evilBay when you have to find a new premium release edition which price is near x2 retailer price. Won't find anything closer and cheaper then.

I went, friends of mine too. Neither of us could "secure" any copy going DIRECT (for some releases), because GB already asked for tons of copy BEFORE preorder time goes live.

That was a fair play. The quicker and faster you post your "petition", the sooner you would be the buyer of the edition you were trying to buy. But this was the old-way to secure the premium releases (I'm afraid).

GB's are a great for releases whom retailers don't ship overseas.
However, whenever you can opt to buy DIRECT, at any time, you can come by a GB host to ask him/her to join and pay the fees to "secure a copy".
Sooner or later, fees would be the cost of another Premium release, as a monopolio.
Leaving out of the game whoever opts to buy DIRECT paying for retailer price (because there is a instant sold-out for sought after editions)

If you pay the fees, and are willing to join to the root of the problem (to join to Group Buys), you can get your copy easy.
But for sure, sooner or later, DIRECT would dissapear as an option, and you wouldn't buy "direct" anymore from the retailer.
Futhermore, most of the profit will be allocate to GB host and runners (mostly, scalpers, which had taken all the sough copies before preorder goes live), which means more money to pay for the same edition.

Everyone hates scalpers (even scalpers hate other scalpers!) but it’s a natural part of supply and demand, you even had people scalping with soap and toilet paper at the start of the Covid pandemic and I’m pretty sure they didn’t buy it via a GB. So GBs aren’t the root cause of scalping, it’s supply and demand and anything limited subject to it.

Just accept it and move on…much like this jolly fellow

 

[BluSteel2012]

Then we are "painting" the problem, where others can't experience any trouble when ordering DIRECT.
Some of my friends tried to buy the DL of Blade Runner. They failed. Sold-out in the first 15 second, when you can't either pay using you card or PayPal. How fast have you got to pay then?
Not all premium releases are instantly sold out. Just the ones which scalpers can make business after with.

And you like the previous comments which are against to my critic about scalpers.
So you don't hate scalpers that much, as you say.

As me. But I call that site "eBay". It's evilBay when you have to find a new premium release edition which price is near x2 retailer price. Won't find anything closer and cheaper then.

I went, friends of mine too. Neither of us could "secure" any copy going DIRECT (for some releases), because GB already asked for tons of copy BEFORE preorder time goes live.

That was a fair play. The quicker and faster you post your "petition", the sooner you would be the buyer of the edition you were trying to buy. But this was the old-way to secure the premium releases (I'm afraid).

GB's are a great for releases whom retailers don't ship overseas.
However, whenever you can opt to buy DIRECT, at any time, you can come by a GB host to ask him/her to join and pay the fees to "secure a copy".
Sooner or later, fees would be the cost of another Premium release, as a monopolio.
Leaving out of the game whoever opts to buy DIRECT paying for retailer price (because there is a instant sold-out for sought after editions)

If you pay the fees, and are willing to join to the root of the problem (to join to Group Buys), you can get your copy easy.
But for sure, sooner or later, DIRECT would dissapear as an option, and you wouldn't buy "direct" anymore from the retailer.
Futhermore, most of the profit will be allocate to GB host and runners (mostly, scalpers, which had taken all the sough copies before preorder goes live), which means more money to pay for the same edition.

While I DO agree with your point about GB's (I've said it here myself before-Yes, GB's make it too easy to obtain copies of highly sought items. Even multiple times via multiple different GB hosts to resell on for profit.) I think it's time to let it rest now.

Unfortunately you're not going to change ANYTHING by repeating your gripe. It is what it is.

The only thing I've learned over time is that you need to change with the times. Taking a gamble on ordering something you really, really want directly anymore is just too risky... The little extra it costs via the GB is worth the peace of mind that you've got what you wanted secured...

 

[howarmat]

No offense but Bladerunner is a crappy example since yes that obviously would sell out immediately GB or not.

And what do you mean you can’t pay by card or PayPal?

 

[Mickle_89]

And what do you mean you can’t pay by card or PayPal?

He probably just means he couldn't pay by card or PayPal because it was sold out too fast

 

[Chemartin_1]

Ok, I am not going to argue with you. You clearly have a lot of time on your hands to write essays.

You can create a company in a socialist country and then assign people a ration card to secure editions as collectors.

Not, because it's not fair to other either.
You can carry on with your own business (GB's), and accepts others critics.

Everyone hates scalpers (even scalpers hate other scalpers!) but it’s a natural part of supply and demand,

I disagree. Natural would be delegate the assignation to the retailer, who is the "creator" of the supply.
If a GB takes MOSTLY all the supply, they are taking up all chances of others, with no implication of these "others" (whoever were going DIRECT).
And THAT is not natural.
It is a manipulation of the market (not supply and demand as you said).

you even had people scalping with soap and toilet paper at the start of the Covid pandemic

Indeed, it was. But they were keeping their toilet paper and soap for themselves (as opposite acts from "scalpers").
And prices didn't go up from retailers, neither there was reselling about that products you have talked.
So it is not a fair comparison.

and I’m pretty sure they didn’t buy it via a GB. So GBs aren’t the root cause of scalping, it’s supply and demand and anything limited subject to it.

Supply is limited.
GB host knows, and everybody knows too (scalpers, specially)
Demand is high, because Premium releases are valuable products (numbered and limited) to spend the money on:
Low supply + high demand = high prices (retailer prices)

In case of scalping:
they take all the availability of the supply (which is low), and they are entitled to sell, covering the high demand:
0 supply (at original price retailer) + same high demand = higher prices

Manipulating the market, leaving down to 0 the supply at original prices, they put on sale their supply ACQUIRED BEFORE (on GB, for example):
Low Supply (which was high demanded before) + high demand = scalper prices and practices

Just accept it and move on…

That's what people implicated IN the scalping practices and business want.
Scalpers don't want how they do all the process, taking in advance most of the very limited supply, to make it up as "sought after" to put them on sale later.

Because if so, neither join to GB, or eBay prices, would be considered as options:
- Buying from GB, which takes all the limited supply out of the market, may feed the scalper attitudes of "taking the supply from the GB (or being the GB host) to sell later".
- Buying on eBay, which prices are x2 or x3 retailer prices, feed the scalper behaviour to carry on doing the same.
(Under my opinion, of course. Yours can be different).

Whereas you can opt for DIRECT (even when GB's don't let customers went through), scalpers are more limited to take more of the limited supply because...
why do you think Collectong says there is a purchase Limited to 2 copies per order?
Going DIRECT makes things HARDER for scalpers, who have to reassemble up to do the same than they can do currently with GB's.

 

[Loony_Tic]

Not, because it's not fair to other either.
You can carry on with your own business (GB's), and accepts others critics.

I disagree. Natural would be delegate the assignation to the retailer, who is the "creator" of the supply.
If a GB takes MOSTLY all the supply, they are taking up all chances of others, with no implication of these "others" (whoever were going DIRECT).
And THAT is not natural.
It is a manipulation of the market (not supply and demand as you said).

Indeed, it was. But they were keeping their toilet paper and soap for themselves (as opposite acts from "scalpers").
And prices didn't go up from retailers, neither there was reselling about that products you have talked.
So it is not a fair comparison.

Supply is limited.
GB host knows, and everybody knows too (scalpers, specially)
Demand is high, because Premium releases are valuable products (numbered and limited) to spend the money on:
Low supply + high demand = high prices (retailer prices)

In case of scalping:
they take all the availability of the supply (which is low), and they are entitled to sell, covering the high demand:
0 supply (at original price retailer) + same high demand = higher prices

Manipulating the market, leaving down to 0 the supply at original prices, they put on sale their supply ACQUIRED BEFORE (on GB, for example):
Low Supply (which was high demanded before) + high demand = scalper prices and practices

That's what people implicated IN the scalping practices and business want.
Scalpers don't want how they do all the process, taking in advance most of the very limited supply, to make it up as "sought after" to put them on sale later.

Because if so, neither join to GB, or eBay prices, would be considered as options:
- Buying from GB, which takes all the limited supply out of the market, may feed the scalper attitudes of "taking the supply from the GB (or being the GB host) to sell later".
- Buying on eBay, which prices are x2 or x3 retailer prices, feed the scalper behaviour to carry on doing the same.
(Under my opinion, of course. Yours can be different).

Whereas you can opt for DIRECT (even when GB's don't let customers went through), scalpers are more limited to take more of the limited supply because...
why do you think Collectong says there is a purchase Limited to 2 copies per order?
Going DIRECT makes things HARDER for scalpers, who have to reassemble up to do the same than they can do currently with GB's.

Even without GBs people would scalp. The mere fact premium steelbooks are limited in number means someone is always going to miss out and be willing to pay over the odds to get hold a release they really want. Therefore someone else is always going to see an opportunity to make money by selling said release at an elevated price. Again it's just supply and demand and realistically if you want to stop scalping you need to stop people being willing to pay scalper prices.

People were scalping soap and toilet paper - you couldn't buy it in the supermarkets but you could get it from Amazon (via sellers) and eBay for ten times it's normal price. People buying it to sell at elevated prices, because demand far outweighed supply, same as with premium steelbooks.

On a side note - yes the likes of Collectong say there is a purchase limit of 2 copies per order...but there are easy ways around that. Such as creating multiple accounts, getting your mates to buy them, using bots (which happens extensively with things like games consoles). There is no "fair way" of everyone getting anything limited, that's the very nature of it being limited...not everyone can have one and therefore it's a desirable product (which will always go for more on the open market).

Edit
I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore as I feel this nonsense has gone on long enough. Just agree to disagree and move on, letting this get back on topic and giving everyone a break from this never ending barrage of crap (and I appreciate I'm as bad for replying when it's basically totally pointless).

 

[Stygian]

Even without GBs people would scalp. The mere fact premium steelbooks are limited in number means someone is always going to miss out and be willing to pay over the odds to get hold a release they really want. Therefore someone else is always going to see an opportunity to make money by selling said release at an elevated price. Again it's just supply and demand and realistically if you want to stop scalping you need to stop people being willing to pay scalper prices.

People were scalping soap and toilet paper - you couldn't buy it in the supermarkets but you could get it from Amazon (via sellers) and eBay for ten times it's normal price. People buying it to sell at elevated prices, because demand far outweighed supply, same as with premium steelbooks.

On a side note - yes the likes of Collectong say there is a purchase limit of 2 copies per order...but there are easy ways around that. Such as creating multiple accounts, getting your mates to buy them, using bots (which happens extensively with things like games consoles). There is no "fair way" of everyone getting anything limited, that's the very nature of it being limited...not everyone can have one and therefore it's a desirable product (which will always go for more on the open market).

Edit
I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore as I feel this nonsense has gone on long enough. Just agree to disagree and move on, letting this get back on topic and giving everyone a break from this never ending barrage of crap (and I appreciate I'm as bad for replying when it's basically totally pointless).

Yep, me too.

 

[Chemartin_1]

Even without GBs people would scalp. The mere fact premium steelbooks are limited in number means someone is always going to miss out and be willing to pay over the odds to get hold a release they really want. Therefore someone else is always going to see an opportunity to make money by selling said release at an elevated price. Again it's just supply and demand and realistically if you want to stop scalping you need to stop people being willing to pay scalper prices.

I am nobody to tell anybody what they have to do with their money.
What I can do, is just to inform and expose my critic about what I consider it has been done; if I want to stop "the scalping", I will inform people willing to pay scalper prices, and the rest of the people about:
- Original prices
- How scalpers succeed with their practices
- How to scalp, or to be a scalper (important, to represent the practice over the paper, not just theory).
- Who can scalp
- Etcetera.

Knowledge is power.

And, under my point of view, again, it is not a supply and demand when scalpers make the market CORRUPT.
Because we are ALL the market; not formed only by the people who scalp, and the person who buys from the scalper.
The supply and demand works when a retailer put a copy for sale, with their price.
If you (or a scalper) manipulate the supply, the demand will be manipulated too.
So it is more than far than just "supply and demand".

On a side note - yes the likes of Collectong say there is a purchase limit of 2 copies per order...but there are easy ways around that. Such as creating multiple accounts, getting your mates to buy them, using bots (which happens extensively with things like games consoles).

- How scalpers succeed with their practices
- How to scalp, or to be a scalper
Thanks for remember us all these details.

There is no "fair way" of everyone getting anything limited, that's the very nature of it being limited...

Limited when we see right after the sold-out TONS of editions, at x2 or x3 price?
Yes, they are limited, indeed.
Limited by the retailer itself. But LIMITED too by the ones (scalpers) who buy them, using their tools and ways to steal the chance of other collector to buy at retailer price
Who said then "supply and demand"? Is this market "free"?

not everyone can have one and therefore it's a desirable product (which will always go for more on the open market).

It's NOT a open market when scalpers (and GB host) can get as many copies as they want. BEFORE anybody.

Edit
I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore as I feel this nonsense has gone on long enough. Just agree to disagree and move on, letting this get back on topic and giving everyone a break from this never ending barrage of crap (and I appreciate I'm as bad for replying when it's basically totally pointless).

Has sense, but people here are pretending not to (ways to manipulate a message).
People read, even though when they don't participate.
And this is why @apsmith21 let this thread open, because people are visiting and reading all the conversation wisely (including the disrespectful memes shared against my person).

However, I will not go on about this topic in this thread. Enought information about GB, scalpers, reasoning and memes for today.

 

[Flloydo]

However, I will not go on about this topic in this thread.

 

[tommyh84]

However, I will not go on about this topic in this thread. Enought information about GB, scalpers, reasoning and memes for today.

Why stop now? You've only ranted for 4 and a half pages since Monday and it's only Wednesday, might as well see if you can keep it up for the entire week

 

[GeoRattray]

Meanwhile this went live on the Cinemuseum website at 1pm UK time today and no-one noticed as the debate was in full swing...












Is what should have happened

 

[milky]

Sold-out in the first 15 second

Not true cuz I was right on the dot when the pre-order began and it took me exactly 50 seconds to finish my payment thru paypal n get back to Collectong. At that moment, only DL was sold out. I am not a GB host. I was just well-prepared

And you like the previous comments which are against to my critic about scalpers.
So you don't hate scalpers that much, as you say.

Jesus, dude! I just agree with their opinions and like their sense of humor. Does it make me a softy scalper lover and against you? Give me a f**kin break n go see Spider-Man: No Way Home It’ll make you feel good. Seen it already? Then go see it again. It’ll make you feel better.

Peace

 

[Mokum]

Recently, I've joined a forum dedicated to watches because I needed a few Swatch models I missed when I was (way) younger and I've browsed around other sections too. Guess what? Group buys.
Even Ferrari doesn't let you buy direct: you've got to be on a list (Rolex too).
What I'm trying to say is that "niche" markets will always be as such.
Blade Runner has tons of copies available on standard amaray but if you want to exclusive double lenticular from Manta Lab you have to be prepared to fight a huge competition. I missed the GB and was unable to buy direct (too slow from mobile). Whose fault is this if not mine? I had 2 options: pay secondary market price (~150 euros) or get a single lenticular for retail price (which I did).
We're into WEA steelbooks so we are concerned about our hobby but rest assured every other hobby is as such. Try to find a Your Name. Nendoroid...
Oh and btw scalpers wouldn't scalp if people weren't buying at those prices.

 

[IRON MAN]

 

[Space Cadet]

Recently, I've joined a forum dedicated to watches because I needed a few Swatch models I missed when I was (way) younger and I've browsed around other sections too. Guess what? Group buys.
Even Ferrari doesn't let you buy direct: you've got to be on a list (Rolex too).
What I'm trying to say is that "niche" markets will always be as such.
Blade Runner has tons of copies available on standard amaray but if you want to exclusive double lenticular from Manta Lab you have to be prepared to fight a huge competition. I missed the GB and was unable to buy direct (too slow from mobile). Whose fault is this if not mine? I had 2 options: pay secondary market price (~150 euros) or get a single lenticular for retail price (which I did).
We're into WEA steelbooks so we are concerned about our hobby but rest assured every other hobby is as such. Try to find a Your Name. Nendoroid...
Oh and btw scalpers wouldn't scalp if people weren't buying at those prices.

Don't wanna start a fight or anything, but not everything you write about Ferrari is true. Sorry. Ferrari case is very ... kind of it's own. Can't compare it to anything.

 

[Mokum]

Don't wanna start a fight or anything, but not everything you write about Ferrari is true. Sorry. Ferrari case is very ... kind of it's own. Can't compare it to anything.

You probably get a call from Ferrari? I mean, that's not the point, I was just trying to say that GB's are most commonly found that one might think (of course Ferrari doesn't run group buys ).

 

[Space Cadet]

You probably get a call from Ferrari? I mean, that's not the point, I was just trying to say that GB's are most commonly found that one might think (of course Ferrari doesn't run group buys ).

I don't.
....
Ferrari does not do GB's.
Bad reference.

 

[snow flake]

I hope this goes live soon, I love this movie.