Doctor Who: Season 1 (2024) (aka Series 14) (Blu-ray SteelBook) [UK]
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Oh **** off, don't accuse me of a straw man because you don't like what I'm saying.
I know it wasn't said by the showrunner but Ncuti is doing interviews for the show he's the star of, he's the front line of marketing for Doctor Who. Do you think what he said was more of a gaffe or marketing? Be honest now.
Okay keyboard warrior. Tbf you probably don't even know you're strawmanning because you're evidently muddled with anger and misinformation. Good luck to you with that approach. The irony that you attempted to strawman immediately after you asked I don't accuse you of strawmanning, is not lost. You're not my kind of person, so I am happy to ignore. Peace!
It's not an opinion. The return of the show has been a disaster in both the UK and USA. I didn't make the viewing figures up. Also having pops at fans because they no longer watch or enjoy the show is never a good look..... Gaslighting fans is pretty much spinal tap 11 for destroying a show.That's cool. Stand by your opinion by all means. You do you. Personally I don't care if something is a commercial success. If I like it, it's written well and it resonates, then I'm in.
I was just addressing the narrative you proposed may have been correct but it was because Ncutis words were taken out of context by certain questionable publications.
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We don't have to agree but you don't need to be a disingenuous liar either.Okay keyboard warrior. Tbf you probably don't even know you're strawmanning because you're evidently muddled with anger and misinformation. Good luck to you with that approach. The irony that you attempted to strawman immediately after you asked I don't accuse you of strawmanning, is not lost. You're not my kind of person, so I am happy to ignore. Peace!
Saying the return of the show has been a "disaster" is your opinion based on... I assume facts around viewership? If that is correct, then the BBC just announced that it's the most watched drama for under 35s on the iplayer thus year. Perhaps it is not what it once was on UK terrestrial TV, as pointed out by @GeoRattray ... But what is; In a world where the majority of the target audience are streaming or gaming? By your own metric it can't be considered holistically a "disaster".
"Doctor Who remains one of the most-watched programmes on iPlayer and is the BBC’s top drama for under-35s this year, making it one of the biggest programmes for the demographic across all streamers and broadcasters." BBC defends Doctor Who ratings as show is "top drama for under-35s this year" | Radio Times
To not expect major sales is an opinion.
This is an opinion also.
Both of which I was responding to when I said
Honestly & genuinely, you do you. Stand by your metric of viewing figures dictating whether something is a "disaster", by all means. To me the success of art is not dictated to by whether enough people have seen it. I couldn't care less if American, British or Wakandan audiences do or don't watch Who. I am inclined to decide for myself. Imo not nearly enough people watched series like Mr Robot or The Expanse for example. We collect physical media... need I say more? I wouldn't call physical media a disaster based on poor consensus. I'd say it's thriving in a niche market with plenty of quality.
Despite the facts around high viewing figures on the iplayer, for younger audiences; We can agree to disagree on whether Doctor Who's return under RTD has been a success or a "disaster" because for us both, they are at the very least, an amalgamation of different factors.
On your second point.
Did you manage to read the original quote or article? He didn't have a pop at the fans for not enjoying the show? That's abundantly clear. It would seem you've been hoodwinked into thinking that by covert reporting of a comment taken out of context. If you're going to engage with me, may I ask you at least read the original quote and its context.
I'll link the orginal article again for your convenience. He clearly is responding to some people who hated against his casting. These comments were weeks before the air of the first episode of the new season, on May 11th. The interview with Ncuti was reported on April 25th. This was never a comment around the success or failure of the show. You can choose to acknowledge those facts or not. You do you.
"And although Gatwa’s groundbreaking casting was met with much praise, there were, of course, some haters. Gatwa’s message to the naysayers is simple: “Don’t watch. Turn off the TV. Go and touch grass, please, for God’s sake.”"
‘Doctor Who’ Regenerates: How Ncuti Gatwa’s Historic Casting, Russell T Davies’ Return and a Disney+ Deal Revolutionized the Franchise
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